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Red Line On WMD in Syria and "the Wrong Hands"

President Obama has drawn a red line in the figurative sand in saying that chemical weapons will be the tipping point for U.S. military engagement with Syria. (Read article, USAToday.com)

Syria almost certainly has these weapons and Assad, the lunatic running a campaign of state terrorism has threatened to deploy them. Yet the situation all too closely parallels a recent justification for launching a Middle East war ... the war on Iraq.

First, before you go sideways on me, let me say I absolutely detest Assad's reign of terror on his people. He has gone insane, if you ask me ... caring far more about his own temporal power (and neck?) than about his people. He is viscous — a badman in every light. He has killed over ten thousand of the citizens of Syria in merciless bombardments.

Saddam Hussein, like Assad, was insane. He was killing his people and, was killing Iranians WITH WMD ... chemical weapons. We launched a war on him, garnering support for attacking a sovereign nation by declaring that he had stockpiled WMD, both chemical and biological, and was a threat to ourselves and to Israel. We also implied he had something to do with the 9-11 attacks. A big difference there was that when we attacked Iraq ... we couldn't find a single chemical or biological weapon.

This must have been a great mystery to many for this simple reason: The U.S. sold Saddam millions of dollars worth of the supplies and technology necessary to make chemical weapons like mustard gas and sarin!

Consider this excerpt from CounterPunch.com:

"On August 18, 2002, the New York Times carried a front-page story headlined, 'Officers say U.S. aided Iraq despite the use of gas.' Quoting anonymous U.S. 'senior military officers,' the NYT 'revealed' that in the 1980s, the administration of U.S. President Ronald Reagan covertly provided 'critical battle planning assistance at a time when American intelligence knew that Iraqi commanders would employ chemical weapons in waging the decisive battles of the Iran-Iraq war.' The story made a brief splash in the international media, then died.

While the August 18 NYT article added new details about the extent of U.S. military collaboration with Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein during Iraq’s 1980-88 war with Iran, it omitted the most outrageous aspect of the scandal: not only did Ronald Reagan’s Washington turn a blind-eye to the Hussein regime’s repeated use of chemical weapons against Iranian soldiers and Iraq’s Kurdish minority, but the U.S. helped Iraq develop its chemical, biological and nuclear weapons programs."

Both Ronald Reagan and George Bush senior aided Saddam in his war against Iraq, making his extensive use of weapons of mass destruction possible! Why? Well, he was using them against Iran — for one thing. Of course, he also used them on the Kurds, his own people — but, hey ... collateral damage right? As an aside I would like to know how many of you are proud that the U.S., under the leadership of Reagan and Bush Sr., sold Saddam Hussein the vital supplies and technology to make and use weapons of mass destruction against Iranians and Iraqis. Here is the thing ... When a U.S. president talks about chemical weapons or WMD in general " falling into the wrong hands," I find it disingenuous at the least.

Even with our reported 90 percent  reduction in chemical and biological weapons, we still have over three thousand TONS of declared material. And you know we have the delivery systems capable of putting them on anyone's doorstep. So, I would like to know ... who has the right hands for WMD? Not us for sure ... we couldn't resist selling them to help our good friend Saddam fight Iran. A war on Syria, is an act of insanity, of imperialism run out of control, or both. We should have responded long ago ... Assad has been on a roll for quite awhile. I don't know that sanctions would have worked ... But, I do know that trillions of dollars later, with thousands of brave Americans dead and over thirty thousand seriously wounded ... with at least one hundred and twenty thousand casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan, mostly civilians ... we have a police state on the one hand and Afghanistan is still way out of control with no promise of democracy in sight.

Israel, by the way, has not ratified it's part in the convention to disarm chemical and biological weapons. I don't think they have used them but they certainly made them for some reason ... as did the U.S. The difference is we used them by proxy. Iran, of course, defends Syria verbally. So, is this all a presage for an all out Middle East War? I see the potential and I am no one ... People get edgy when a super power attacks their country. They tend to throw all they have into their defense. It will be WMD in Assad's case. As to the U.S. gain — we may bring down one more bad guy for the effort ... but, at what expense? WW3? Is this what we want? I don't know U.S. history in Assad's rise to power. We helped create Saddam ... that is historical fact. But it is clear that, from before the time the U.S. overthrew Iran's Mossadegh in the fifties, NOTHING we have done in the Middle East has been to bring democracy to people, to free them ... in a word ... for altruistic purposes. So, despite the murders conducted by Assad ... If we do attack Syria, it will be to control Syria and, as with Iraq and Afghanistan ... it's not likely to work. Additionally it just might set off WW3 ...

St. Swithin

10:31 am on Tuesday, August 28, 2012

A couple points -
1. At the moment we are not well positioned to intervene except by air strikes. Most of our troops are gone from Iraq and they would not be welcomed back. Much of our ground force is tied up in Afghanistan.
2. The rebels would not welcome overt support from us or Israel. They do not want to appear as puppets of the Great Satan.
3. We have a vested interest in keeping this civil war going. Assad's #1 supporter is Iran. He gets financial, military and political assistance from them. Bleed Assad and you bleed Iran.
4. If Assad has chemical weapons why has he not already used them? He can't use them in a major population center like Aleppo, but Homs would seem like a likely place to use chemicals.
5. It was never clear what Israel was doing when they bombed Syria a few years ago. How much of Assad's WMD stockpile has already been wiped out by overt or covert action?
6. Syria doesn't have much oil. Why should we care?

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$$andSense

9:57 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012

Just let them continue to kill each other. This region since well before WW1 has sucked so much money and blood from the western world just because they have a surplus of oil under their land that is otherwise useless. Sand is not a resource. This is no cultural center. Let them continue their constant warring, religious and blood feud scores to settle for a few thousand years. War costs money and oil will come cheap when they decide they need our cash to continue their folly.

Brian Carlson

10:46 am on Tuesday, August 28, 2012

St S... If I read you right, you are saying there is no reason to intervene as there is no significant oil to gain....moreover, by not intervening, Iranian money and support goes down the drain. The advantage is in doing nothing?

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Brian Carlson

10:47 am on Tuesday, August 28, 2012

What was your feeling about the aside I posed...? Re: Reagan and Bush selling the fix ins for WMD to Saddam sonhe could kill Iranians?

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Craig

11:09 am on Tuesday, August 28, 2012

Brian: I must admit I agree with you, we should never have become involved in Libya either. We have made mistakes in the past (like Saddam), and will likely make more going forward.
I prefer to see the US stay out of the conflicts unless we are attacked on US soil.
I am tired of the argument that a few $Billion now will save a $Trillion later. If we depended on ourselves for oil, we would not have to worry about the other hemisphere. Let's be honest here- our Government is only worried about the safe passage of oil barges to feed our supply.
Eliminate the dependance on foreign oil, and why would we really care about that side of the Planet?
So instead of burning light sweet crude, can we start burning our own supply of second rate reserves and tell the EPA to get bent?

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St. Swithin

11:24 am on Tuesday, August 28, 2012

@Brian -
In regards to past presidents selling weapons to Saddam - what are you looking for here? Of course, they did that. The U.S. has always done that. How do think Al Qaida got started? Look up UNITA or the Contras. It's a practice I strongly oppose, but the U.S. has done this for their entire history. Heck, we were arming "our guys" during the French & Indian War. Who do you think is supplying weapons to the Syrian rebels now? Remember, they aren't terrorists if they are killing people we don't like.

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Randy1949

11:32 am on Tuesday, August 28, 2012

Not a good idea. It was a very stupid idea, as was France's sale of a reactor to Iraq that could potentially create fissionable material. The Israelis took care of that for us.

St. Swithin

10:57 am on Tuesday, August 28, 2012

Please, call me Swithin.
You are basically correct. Also, the fact that there is not a lot that we CAN do at the moment. I should point out I am talking about the likely reasoning of the administration, not my personal views, although they are similar. To elaborate:
1. Although chemical weapons sound scary, they aren't really an effective way to kill a lot of people. Young men with machine guns have done much worse damage than chemical weapons by several orders of magnitude.
2. If Obama is talking tough like this, then he probably has intel that NBC (nuke, bio, chem) is unlikely at this time. First rule of politics - don't say anything your opponents can stick you with later.
3. You can bet money the Israelis are all over this. They share a border and a long history with Assad. I would lay money down that they know exactly where 99% of Assad's NBC weapons are and they are keeping a close watch on them.

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Brian Carlson

11:36 am on Tuesday, August 28, 2012

Swithin, I am only looking for honest answers. Yours is appreciated. A lot of folks think that only "bad guys" have and would use chem and bio weapons so when we talk tough to guys like Assad, it comes with some sort of righteous indignation. With over 3000 tons of this stuff left, down from 31500 declared tons....pointing fingers is not really our right. Even more so when so many Iranian civilians and Kurds died from American chemicals compliments of Saddam.

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Lyle Ruble

11:37 am on Tuesday, August 28, 2012

It's funny how we get ourselves involved in things that we shouldn't be involved in. Syria is a problem that has been there since when the British and French divided up the region at the end of WW I. Syria is like all the other nations in the region that was created by imperial powers.

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Brian Carlson

11:51 am on Tuesday, August 28, 2012

Yes... The history, even a brief one, should be enlightening to those who are mystified as to why the Brits, French and US are hated by so many in the Middle East. We collectively carved it up, drew lines with no repect to the people, the religions represented, the cultural histories, and then proceeded to help ourselves to the oil. Those who wanted to nationalize their own frigging oil...were overthrown if not assassinated. But to make a critical point as well, the citizens are not our enemies despite the debacles we conduct or participate in. We can not slaughter them to save them.

Brian Carlson

11:42 am on Tuesday, August 28, 2012

Craig, I am with you, reluctantly accepting a defensive military, as the likelihood of no military...Costa Rica style...is not going to happen here. Of course we had to "defend" ourselves from Saddam (after co producing him) and we have to defend our access to foreign oil....and now...to defend ourselves from terrorists world-wide...meaning we can justify taking war anywhere and have no qualms about undeclared wars...Pakistan, Yemen, Somali...nor with the old proxy wars. You said...American soil. But the mentality in operation has long been Empire.

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Brian Carlson

11:43 am on Tuesday, August 28, 2012

By "we had to" I mean that it has been thought by our government... Not by me.

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Craig

12:11 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012

I understood what you meant by we. I am not in favor of our empire being included in American soil. Why we need to dock boats in Yemen is beyond me. I assume it is to instill fear in the rest of the World that USA is a force to be wary of.
When we can not afford to feed our hungry here on US soil, it is time to bring all of our boys home, and keep them here defending our soil.

Brian Carlson

12:21 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012

Craig....boats in Yemen and drone attacks....right. I agree...let's get our people home.

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Johnny Blade

12:27 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012

And the Banksters keep funding both sides like they ALWAYS have .... Give a man a gun he can rob a bank .. Give a man a bank he can ROB a country

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Michael McClusky

7:00 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012

The phrase 'national security' has been way overblown by our government. That is why our military is in some 90 countries. There simply is no reason for it. The Cold War has been over for 20 years!

Brian Carlson

8:16 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012

Michael....agreed. But this is Empire. As the sun never set on the English flag, we have become the worlds largest empire of all time.unlike the British, we figured out we didn't need to colonize the countries, just control them economically.if that doesn't work, we can overthrow their governments. The economic warfare comes first. But then....with military at readiness all over the globe...that card can be played or the threat played.

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Michael McClusky

8:26 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012

Brian, I don't think the American people will consent to another war on the Asian continent again any time soon. Plus, the US Government can no longer finance any more military excursions. The sun has set on this empire.

Howard Hinterthuer

8:20 am on Wednesday, August 29, 2012

"So he flattened Saddam with his banner unfurled
Won the Battle of Baghdad, but lost the rest of the world!"
-- from the song "Lord of the Realm" on the Local News CD by Embedded Reporter

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Brian Carlson

8:31 am on Wednesday, August 29, 2012

Nice lyrics.... And is this just linear thinking? Are we just reactionaries? Where is the foresight, vision, let alone wisdom? I think GB Senior didn't chase Saddam down specifically because he didn't want to have to occupy a country until it could run itself again following a war. Of course he had a few more cards in his deck that Dub.... But that's what must mystifies me about much public pro war sentiment... Never questioning consequences....cause and effect...that sort of thing. We CAN lose the rest of the world or at least beat it down to massive economic and physical devastation, police states, huge refugee crisis, bread lines and what not. But why?

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J. B. Schmidt

9:36 am on Wednesday, August 29, 2012

@Brian
I don't know if you have seen this article; however, it fits very well with your blog.
http://theglobalist.com/StoryId.aspx?StoryId=9733

Here is where I struggle with heavy criticism of past foreign policy decisions. How do we know the world would be a better place if the US had not intervened? Most likely, Saddam would have killed Kurds with or without our wmd's. Also, many of the decisions we made were based on the chess match we played with the USSR. What does a world look like where USSR gains control of Middle East oil fields as we step back and watch? Would post 9/11have been different if a Democratic President had been in the White House, maybe, but probably not. The American people, not the government alone, wanted a country to blame. Saddam fit the role.

Lastly, should we not also hold responsible those presidents that sat back and did nothing. Clinton never addressed the growing threat of terrorism even after numerous attacks on American interests. That lack of foreign leadership could be pointed as the reason the 9/11 attackers were able to pull off what they did.

No president is immune to foreign policy failures. Most are left to deal with the previous administrations F-ups. It is a snowball effect that could go back 100 years to our failure after WWI that created the conditions for WWII.

"The world no longer listens to Washington elites. Now it's our turn to do the same."

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Brian Carlson

1:16 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012

JB you posed many thoughts for consideration. I have some responses...no answers.

Re: "How do we know the world would bee a better place had we not intervened? " We don't.... But we do know we would not have gotten nearly five thousand well meaning soldier's lives lost, over one hundred thousand Iraqis killed, and over a trillion dollars spent so far on this project. These achievements are now part of what America means to the world...reinforcing our reputation as empire builders. We are occupiers... And Iraq, post Saddam, is pretty much a corrupt police state. Not good return on our dollar...of course most of those dollars cycled to out military industrial complex.

Saddam would have killed Kurds at this point.... But go to the history of our intervention...our CIA hired him when he was young, to assassinate the Iraqi leader ofnthe day Quadim...I believe his name was....Saddam nearly got him but missed...this no doubt built him prestige in any case in his assent in the Baathist Party. We helped him immensely in the Iran Iraq war...again...building his power. In a very real sense we helped make him. Now...suppose we had not. No Saddam. Saying other madmen would have risen does not justify helping to create dictators...

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Brian Carlson

1:17 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012

JB

The USSR question begs the question.... Who's oil fields? If they belong to the Middle East...after all the Middle East DOES sit on them....then why do we or the USSR seem to think we own them or are justified in taking them? If the USSR decides to take the oil...steal it...is that a justification for us to do the same? You often mention your Christian beliefs... Do they not apply to foreign policy?

And screw the AM public if they want a country to blame. There are humans living there...they got the wrong country to begin with and the world is not ours to feed anappetite for national revenge. Yeah I like Bill for many reasons. Not for missing the Ruandan genocide though.

Yes there are a string of mistakes....the point of my blog here is to ask are we repeating another one in squaring up for a fight in Syria.

Brian Carlson

11:24 am on Wednesday, August 29, 2012

JB...excellent article. Dwight Eisenhower was very concerned with the rise of the military industrial complex....found it alarming and warned us against it's unchecked growth. But who listens to five star generals when they contradict popular opinion?

"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.

Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution during recent decades."

Dwight Eisenhower full text at:
http://coursesa.matrix.msu.edu/~hst306/documents/indust.html

I hope people here read both your link and this statement (full) by Eisenhower.
Enlightening.

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Brian Carlson

11:20 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012

Back to my intro...few of you responded to the Reagan Bush sale of chemical weapons materials and technology to Saddam. I don't care who it was.... But finger pointing at madmen with chemical weapons after we have supplied madmen with the same abilities we now draw lines on.... suggests duplicity, or simply a kind of global gangsterism. The difference is OURS were actually used on civilians...so far, apparently...Assad's have not.

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Brian Carlson

7:04 am on Thursday, August 30, 2012

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Brian Carlson
6:54 am on Thursday, August 30, 2012
AWD...shelling neighborhoods where suspected dissenters live doesn't happen here too often. Killing over ten thousand Americans in the name of State Security would be called state terrorism or a Dirty War. Your comment expresses ignorance
perfectly.
While our government has killed or jailed dissenters.... and while, of course, we began this free countrywith genocide and slavery, situations where the government determined groups of humans had no rights, civil or God given, were eventually contested and outlawed.
You will like the legislation the President recently signed into law, reducing our rights further ( check my blog on dissenters). But until he begins to wield it broadly, dissenters like the "occupy types" and angry right wing extremists have the opportunity you just exercised...to protest against government policies.

If you want to hunt for parasites you should look at the grotesque war profits of multinationals that feed off the wars that kill little people ..over 200 million last century. That is literal blood sucking.

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