Except for a slew of unsourced assumptions, sure. May we see the list of Walker supporters who lost their jobs solely because of that support? Or the evidence that one or two well publicized rallies in Wauwatosa intimidated the Walker family? Or that Obama's numbers have absolutely no chance of recovery?

And concerning OWS. J.B., have you spent 20+ hours observing OWS live feeds nationally and internationally as I have? Can you describe the movement's infrastructure? Based on what you have written I know you have not or you are being intentionally fellacious. OWS has no intention to "destroy" the 1%. Their intent is to put a human face on the 99%, and to rally for causes in which the unfettered greed of corporatists and politicians have left misery in their wake. They are occupying foreclosed homes with the permission of the owners to keep them from homelessness while the validity of the foreclosure is investigated. They recently challenged the Mayor of Chicago for questionable actions in that city. They have demonstrated at fundraisers for Republican and Democrats protesting the lack of access for ordinary citizens. In the U.S. and Europe they are challenging the banks that accepted taxpayer bailouts and say "thanks" with foreclosures and job cuts. I don't believe holding people accountability is attempted destruction.

I also believe the facts offer rich topics for discussion. There's no need for obfuscation or prevarication.

@Bren
I never claimed a "slew" of lost jobs. Nor did I claim a "slew" of rallies. I also never said that Obama's numbers have no chance for recovery. Are you sure you read my blog? I though liberals stood up for all jobs and were the ones standing up for the rights of woman and children. That must stop if you find out they are conservative.

I don't have 20+ hours watching people defecate on cop cars or creating small 3rd world communes in public places. "Put a human face on the 99%", is that why they have tried to shut down Wall Street and the banks. Is that why they have multimillion dollar rappers and movie stars coming to their rallies. Is that why they are attacking Romney for being rich, but not Obama, who himself is a 1%. In fact, Obama is more guilty of the sin of 1%ism since he has never hired anyone, instead has kept all that money for vacations to Hawaii. If they were holding people accountable, they would march against Barney Frank and the idiots who bought homes they could not afford. Rather they attack the banks the rest of us need. I am not a 1%er, but if that is the face of the 99%, it needs a face lift.

J.B. If you re-read my post you will realize that I was referencing the body of your narrative. I count 20 unsourced/potentially baseless assumptions within your text and categorize them, appropriately as I believe, as a "slew."

In my 20+ hours of observing OWS I did not see defecation on police cars. There is an anarchist movement called Black Bloc which infiltrates the rallies of other organizations and cause disruptions so that they may engage with police. It is believe that Black bloc, with their distinctive pulled-up black hoodies, have infiltrated OWS rallies. Black bloc was responsible for the riots in Great Britain last year. If you recall your 20th Century American history, "Hoovervilles" sprung up during the Great Depression to send a message that people were losing their homes and going hungry. There is precedent for the encampment phase, which you would know if you had invested the time. Your view of OWS is incomplete and flawed.

Romney has faced criticism for his flip-flopping and lack of empathy, in addition to speculation about how his fortune was earned and how much is being kept in offshore accounts to avoid paying U.S. taxes (I understand he recently closed his Cayman Island account but his Dublin account may still be open). If one chooses to run for political office one must be prepared for public scrutiny.

Let's keep Obama's vacations out of the discussion. By 09/11/2001, GW Bush had enjoyed more vacation than any other 1 or 2 term president.

@Bren
Only 20 assumptions. I though I had 22.

OWS, I am sure is loaded people that hated Bush. They would have challenged his vacations and ever other action he took, as all liberals did during the naughts. Now Obama's vacations and personal wealth are off the table. How convenient for you.

Defacation, don't like the source, google it.
http://www.frugal-cafe.com/public_html/frugal-blog/frugal-cafe-blogzone/2011/10/11/disgusting-ows-man-poops-on-police-car-charles-krauthammer-weighs-in-on-the-moronic-anti-capitalist-occupy-wall-street-protestors-video/

Here are some other reasons that OWS is nothing more then a 3rd world commune.

Sexual assults
http://abcnews.go.com/US/sexual-assaults-occupy-wall-street-camps/story?id=14873014#.T3oe8dVvCM8

Zuccotti Lung
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2011/11/11/zuccotti-lung-sickness-occupy-wall-street/

OWS Tuberculosis Outbreak
http://atlanta.cbslocal.com/2011/11/10/tuberculosis-breaks-out-at-occupy-atlantas-base/

The UK Guardian thought they were anti-capitalist. So did many others.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/oct/16/occupy-protests-europe-london-assange

I don't know what 20 hour feed you watched.

Also, I did a quick search for the OWS demands and found many sites all posting different demands. I am curious, where is the master, master list of demands that you have?

J.B., thank you for posting information about some isolated incidents with OWS and opinion. If you had any actual knowledge about the movement you would know what I am watching and why. In addition, you would also know the status of the "master list" that you assert I have.

The best writing comes from actual experience. The most compelling/persuasive argument is made when the voice is "true."

@Bren
My blog was about isolated pieces of a possibly larger puzzle.

I did not realize you were the voice of OWS. Thought you had something meaningful to add.

J.B., again, the persuasive argument is made with the ardent voice of truth. There is much I can add about OWS but I wait until we are at a parallel level of knowledge on the topic.

@Bren
I am not smart enough to understand, but I can't be taught until I am smart enough to understand. Got it.

I know what I need to know about OWS. Every newspaper in the country has written about them. They are not an innocent tea party group. They are an immature terror group looking for a spark. They are the same people rioting in Europe because of austerity measures. They want their freebies and hate those that succeed. How can person camp out in a park for weeks? They don't have a job and aren't interested in taking the time to find one. That is why the Tea Party events are usually on Saturday or Sunday; because they have jobs Monday thru Friday.

J.B., are you surprised that the corporate-owned media would attempt to marginalize a movement that is working to hold corporations to account? You will find very little in the mainstream media about OWS, and what you do find is mostly negative.

Did you know for example that Occupy Austin is working with the City of Austin on possibly transferring its funds from Wall Street banks to local credit unions? I don't believe Bank of America is boasting about it on its website. A few weeks ago Occupy rallied in front of the home of the Chase Bank CEO and mock "foreclosed" on his home, to tremendous support from passerby. Occupiers created a huge float and marched behind the Rose Bowl parade this year.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_3x0pdjfUY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-zJq_iRbkM

And OWS is definitely not a Tea Party/GOP movement. It is not astroturf. What freebees are they looking for? Justice is not free, it take a lot of work, commitment, determination. Yes, people out of work and homeless may have time to encamp. Also retirees, there are quite a few in the movement. If you knew anything about OWS you would know the encampment phase is nearly over. Most Occupy rallies do take place on the weekend as well.

And again, I believe the individual who speaks from facts speaks with authority.

@Bren
The facts state that Austin chose Chase. That leaves your OWS Austin, just another group vacating a commune, but leaving its filth behind.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-02-05/occupy-wall-street-movement-camps-pack-up/52978308/1

Some evidence, Ima?

And a majority of the shootings in Chicago are on Chicago's South side. The very same community Obama worked as a Community Organizer. Let's HOPE he doesn't "Transform America" in the same way he "organized" his community.

Chicago's south side is a community that has been beset by poverty for many years. Poverty begets desperation and frustration, which in turn begets violence.

If we continue to let our nation's wealth head toward the top, we will indeed transform America, other than in the gated communities inhabited by the lucky few. But it will be the other side doing it.

@Dirk - Cannot get past your comment "textbook Mussolini". Mussolini was a Fascist, which is ultra-right wing, and among other beliefs, a Corporatist and anti-Socialist. Sounds the opposite of Obama, more like the extremely right wing Republicans. Can you refer me to that textbook? I may be able to order it through Liberty or Oral Roberts U., written by Pat Robertson.
I will give you one difference between Mussolini and the extreme Right. Mussolini made the trains run on time, but Walker made the trains not run.

@Dirk Gutzmiller
Did your text book come MSNBC? Mussolini was a big government guy who attempted many stimulus style policy changes and nationalized businesses. I can't seem to locate that within any current republican policy.

Mussolini bankrupted a government on trains (and the like) and instituted a program where people donated their jewelry in order to fund the government. Walker cancelled a slow train (with no guarantee of timeliness) in order to keep the government from becoming like IL or CA.

@JB - Fascism is a philosophy or system of government that advocates or exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right, typically through the merging of state and business leadership, together with an ideology of belligerent nationalism.
This twisting of history to compare Obama to the extreme right Mussolini is disingenuous, demonizing, unAmerican, and meant to impress those poor naive souls that only know Mussolini and Hitler as those bad guys in history.
It actually demeans those who fought those reactionary regimes as well as the ultra-right wing Japanese Empire. And you are saying Obama, our President and the head of our Armed Forces, compares to Mussolini, and you call yourself a loyal American? You seem to be advocating for an overthrow of the U.S. Government and its perceived horrific dictatorship of a Mussolini leading us. Ridiculous beyond compare..

@mau -- That's a new low, even for you.

You're right "Mau", why should anybody be upset over the killing of an unarmed teen who was tracked down and shot dead on the street like a wild animal on the prowl? As a human being, how can that not bother you that justice has not been served? Or did I miss the notice that we are now in the newly GOP-established "Young Black Male Hunting Season"?

@Mau
Jason must on the investigating team in Florida, since he has already convicted Zimmerman.

@Jason
Zimmerman was a registered Democrat. I thought facts were so important to you.

@J. B. -- There are some troubling things about the Zimmerman incident which have nothing to do with his political party. A prosecutor made a special trip down to overrule the recommendations of the initial investigator. Could it have had something to do with the fact that Zimmerman's father is a judge?

'Stand your ground' applies equally to Trayvon Martin in this case. He found himself being pursued by an armed stranger, and he had no duty to continue fleeing to the safety of his father's house. He certainly had no duty to stop and identify himself and his business to anyone other than an officer of the law. To do so might have been a fatal mistake in other circumstances.

@Randy
I have not cast judgement on either party. The public has been allowed access to few contradictory details and to act like Jason and convict Zimmerman is not only short sighted, but against the American 'innocent until proven guilty' criminal justice system. It is his line of thinking that concerns me and why I addressed it in the blog.

Jason decided to insert the political affiliation by insinuating that the GOP has a policy of killing black kids. Since the man that shot the gun was Democrat, I must once again point out Jason's inability to be credible.

It might be a "new low" but am I wrong.

This was labeled a racial incident right from the start. If this had been an affirmitive action issue Zimmerman would have been catagorized a Mexican. But that wouldn't have incited enough outrage. He needed to be labeled white to do that.

You should all be ashamed to make this a race issue. This happens every day, involves all races, without all this media attention. And then like usual Jackson and Sharpton need to get themselves in the media spotlight to make themselves feel relevant.

Police Seek Suspects in YouTube Beating
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b9d_1296161950

People should be upset about all killings. Where is the outrage over all the hooker's bodies being found on Long Island.

@mau -- First of all, I don't think the 'minority' J.B. was referring to was black people. At least I hope not. But if you insist race had nothing at all to do with it, you're lying to yourself. A teenager was walking down a sidewalk in an upscale community. What was it that made him 'suspicious' enough for a neighborhood watch person to pursue? Hmmmm . . .

However, "If there has been such an uprising in Florida over the Martin/Zimmerman incident, imagine what it will be like when obama loses the election. Will we have looting and burning because he wasn't re-elected?" is an offensive statement. Looting and burning like the LA riots over a lost election? The only difference between this race and every other Presidential race since the beginning of the nation is the race of one of the candidates.

@J. B. Schmidt -- True, the public has been getting sketchy and contradictory details about the incident. The only important detail for me is that the initial investigator found Mr. Zimmerman's account not credible and recommended manslaughter charges. He was overruled, and it took a public outcry to reverse it. It's a shame that had to happen and that this ends up being tried in the media.

Incendiary and ignorant remarks such as "Will we have looting and burning" were being asked during the 2008 presidential campaign, if 1) Obama wasn't elected and/or 2) became president. It is no surprise that this ignorance resurfaces around election time.

Concerning Trayvon Martin, the shooter claimed to have had his head pounded against the pavement. Anyone who has ever fallen once on pavement and landed on bare flesh likely ended up with a scrape or contusion. Zimmerman is shown on video with no visible injuries, no limp, no turn or smudged clothing, no evidence of having just been in a life-threatening altercation. The Stand Your Ground law in Florida is intended to protect individuals who are in imminent threat of death. There have been press conferences, rallies, and vigils for the dead teenager, no "uprisings" that I know of to-date.

While facts may not be as exciting or dramatic as baseless assertion, reason and logic are always the advisable course.

@Bren
2008 was different. No one actually thought Obama would lose to McCain.

As for Zimmerman. How much blood or how large an injury must be present in order to justify self defense from a life threatening struggle? I am not saying the Zimmerman is innocent or guilty, neither has any conservative that I am aware of. Its the liberals that calling for his head. If you read below, Jason has already convicted him.

J.B., 2008 was an opportunity for Americans to display social advancement or primordialism just as it is now.

Former Governor Jeb Bush (R-Florida) stated on March 24 that the Stand Your Ground law he signed into effect in 2005 should not apply to the Trayvon Martin case: “Stand your ground means stand your ground. It doesn’t mean chase after somebody who’s turned their back,” However, although that was his intent in signing SYG into law, the document itself does not specify whether following an individual violates the law or if retreating to avoid confrontation is a requirement. Therein lies the issue.

I bring up the injuries (or lack thereof) because the physical evidence apparently contradicts Zimmerman's sworn statement. And as Randy1949 indicates, the investigator in the case recommended arrest because he mistrusted Zimmerman's account of events. This recommended was subsequently overruled. In addition, Trayvon's family wasn't notified of his death for 3 days, although the police department had his ID. He was listed as a John Doe. There is certainly evidence to suggest that this case was not handled according to standard police procedure, irregardless of Zimmerman's innocence or guilt.

@Bren
2008 did not contain this level of emotion spread across multiple liberal causes.

Your case against Zimmerman and the police is still circumstantial at best.

J.B., I absolutely disagree. The 2008 election gave rise to the "birther" conspiracy, hysterical fears of racial "retribution," and the birth of the astroturf Tea/GOP.

Concerning Trayvon Martin I have no personal involvement in this case. But I maintain my suggestion that there are irregularities surrounding the young man's death based on visual evidence, sworn statement of Zimmerman, and publicly-released details about the case. Technically, based on the sheer vagueness of the Stand Your Ground law, the former Florida governor responsible for signing this version of the multi-state legislation into law may be incorrect. Zimmerman's defense might indeed and perhaps successfully cite SYG as appropriate in this case, and the death of Trayvon Martin as what is now being referred to as "justifiable homicide." This may be an issue for the DOJ.

In my view there is no benefit to a law that makes it more difficult for law enforcement to do its job. It was irresponsible, in my opinion, for Gov. Bush and the governors of the other states, to sign this legislation without asking what would seem to be the reasonable and obvious question: What are the conditions in which Stand Your Ground is appropriate?

Thanks for confirming what we knew about you all along may. You made it so simple.

Of course this is around racism. Imagine if Zimmerman was black and Trayvon was white. Zimmerman would have been indicted instantly, no questions asked. For someone to think otherwise would be insane and duplicitous.

Heard something wild on Stephanie Miller this morning. Some guy called up and said that Trayvon Martin's problem is that he was "insufficiently armed." This is exhibit A for the abundant numbskullery among right wingers.

So gun lovers, what do you think? Insufficiently armed? So would you want to put guns in the hands of black teenagers. Or are you just plain nuts?

There is a profound level of immaturity that courses through the brains of the right wing in this country. There is something profoundly wrong here.

What is that you are saying about never using facts? Sounds a bit like the pot and kettle...

No, AWD -- only you.

J.B., your statement, "In 2011 and continuing in 2012, we saw a Wisconsin torn a part by a minority that lost power." If this isn't pointing out that the Democratic Party wasn't the "minority," could you explain the intent of your statement?

@Bren
My point was that the Democratic party is circling the wagons for only 10% of the workforce.

Bren:

Not sure why JB is getting pushback on his minority statement. Is it not fair to say that the Democratic party is the minority party in Wisconsin? The Republican party holds the governor's office, the state assembly, and the state senate as well (at least before the recent retirement). Is Peter Barca not the 'minority leader'?

Cow, I agree with that assessment. An ambiguously-crafted sentence is open to interpretation.

J.B., I'll iterate my continuing position on the recall: With approximately 200,000 public employees in Wisconsin and 931,000 valid recall signature, one may reasonably argue that the collective bargaining is part of but not the entire motivation for the recall.

I believe that it has been stated many times that the motivation for the recall is that the dems can't accept losing and want a do-over of the election...

Cow, Democrats have lost in Wisconsin before without initiating a recall. There have been Republican governors in place with the recall law on the books. Your argument needs to be revisited.

Certainly Dems have lost before without initiating a recall. Not sure what happened to the party to make them change, but change they did. Perhaps they just don't like being the minority party in all branches of state government...

@JB - Now you Mom is commenting on Patch.

@Dirk Gutzmiller
While I appreciate the kind words of Lena and also feel sorry for Jason; she is not my mother. However, thanks for the laugh, I haven't heard a 'Your Mother' joke in a few years.

Lena, while both Jason and J.B. have distinctive, bold writing styles, based on theses presented Jason has not ventured into the realm of surmise as has J.B. On that basis I would agree, if I interpret your statement "He does not have a chance to debate with you..." correctly (i.e. He can't meet you in debate as opposed to the literal interpretation he doesn't have the opportunity), Jason is writing from a different and incomparable perspective. I disagree that I.Q. is a factor in this diversification; I attribute J.B.'s position to unintended or deliberate prevarication as persuasive device.

@Bren
"prevarication" If Lena does turn out to be my mother, she is going to very mad at you.

@Hoffa
I think they are spread through out the country because of the explosion of social media. The ability for information to be fed within specific groups of people and keep them tuned in, even if the information is wrong. I site morninmist as my example. I wonder what could have happened in LA if they would have had social media.

While most people prefer order to chaos, it has taken a minority of people in Wisconsin to drive a recall election.

Maybe my enjoyment of Walking Dead on AMC has my mind twisted into some apocalyptic delusion.

@J.B. Schmidt....You keep talking about a minority, this state is split 50/50. Your minority assumption is incorrect and is a misconception. Even with social media, the likelihood of some ground swell movement is remote. Let's keep it real.

@J.B. -

I've never actually watched an episode of 'The Walking Dead,' but am a big fan of AMC's 'Breaking Bad.' Is 'The Walking Dead' something that can picked up mid series easily, or is it best to start from episode #1?

Usually, I find AMC originals to be quite good, however, they did let me down with 'The Prisoner' mini-series a couple years ago.

@Hoffa
I am kind of a post-apocalyptic junkie. Most of then tend B-movies or even worse. The Walking Dead is the best post-apocalyptic/zombie show I have seen. I would definitely encourage watching from the beginning as it sets up some of the personal interaction later in the series. The end of season 2, blew my mind.

@J. B. Schmidt, The Walking Dead is one of our favorite shows. We have gone back many times and watched Season 1 over again. Season 2 talked about things we missed in Season 1. I also go online to the web site Talking Dead where they give hints on what is going on. I think Season 3 will be more exciting than Season 2. It still is not much better than a cut rate B movie because they always seem to forget their rules and many times have poor lighting.

Well then, I just may have to check out 'The Walking Dead!'

@J.B. -

I too love the post-apocalyptic (PA) genre! Some of my favorite films are Cherry 2000 (1987), Circuitry Man (1990) (but who doesn't love Dana Wheeler-Nicholson), and World Gone Wild (1988) (Adam Ant really steals the show in this one).

Yes, Hoffa, you have to check out The Walking Dead. And watch from the beginning or you won't really know what's going on.

FYI

Gun Sales Booming: Doomsday, Obama or Zombies?

http://news.yahoo.com/gun-sales-booming-doomsday-obama-zombies-193929184--abc-news-money.html

People are such sheep. This happened four years ago because people were so sure President Obama would tighten gun control. It never happened.

The conservatives will wait for the next election, like they always do. Hoping for another Walker or Ryan. Something the democrats in this state can't seem to do.

If Obama gets another 4 years he will be a lame duck. He can do a lot of unpopular things without any repercussions. Just like Clinton did.

My family will continue to support each other, protect each other, work for the future, and hope our government doesn't drive us into the poor house.

@Lyle
I could also say that the Democrats brought this on themselves. They were the ones that used the overreaching power of government to provide fiscally harmful collective bargaining privileges 50 years ago. It is the Democrats that are challenging Voter ID that is supported by the majority of Americans. The assumption that the country was at some neutral political point prior to Republican legislation is not true. I believe that misinformation is what is feeding the issues I have stated.

Fear mongering? To what end. I didn't call for all conservatives to start buying guns and ammo. I just see a possible political storm coming at the end of the year and I am curious if we are seeing it build currently. 2011 in Wisconsin has been unusual (at best) within the realm of normal Wisconsin politics. My concern is not with Conservatives, they have never been able to mount much a public resistance to anything, unless you count 5 picketers outside an abortion clinic.

@J.B. Schmidt...The whole issue with public sector unions has been nothing more than a "red herring". You have bought Walker's spin, hook, line and sinker. In the first place, the state workers and local workers have never taken any job actions in the time they were formed. State employees always accepted what they were given without complaint. How much uproar was there when Doyle forced 16 furlough days on the state workers. Many of the locals went for 5 plus years without even a cost of living raise. Of all the public sector unions it has been the teacher's unions that have the reputation for work actions. They also usually got raises based on at least the QEO. However, the teachers unions were subject to the local school districts and boards. If the public unions were such a threat, then why did the legislature and governor not also limit the "badge unions"? The whole purpose of the Republican's actions have been purely politically motivated, cut off the flow of union funds to Democratic candidates. Part of the wider strategy is to force the U.S. into "right to work".

I would venture to say that the vast majority of firearms are already in the hands of conservatives. Progressives are not likely to arm themselves to some manufactured threat.

We still have a problem justifying voter ID, since there is no definitive proof of widespread voter fraud. Again it is a "red herring" issue. (continued)

@J.B. Schmidt (continued)...The idea behind voter ID is to discourage as little of 3% of the vote, which would be enough to elect conservative candidates. In my opinion it is not only unconstitutional but anti-American.

@Lyle
I assumed Jason might misunderstand my minority statement, however you? I have identified a couple of times including in my blog that this reaction is created by a minority of the workforce, the public employees. You the reiterated that fact.

The ability of a public union to collect dues has not changed, accept that the union members now have a choice. If that choice causes a union to fail it is on the backs of its members not Walker. Politically it means that tax payer money cannot be funneled into the Dems coffers. It is a system of money laundering. The Dems decided they could get easy contributions if they pandered to unions who were receiving huge amounts of tax payer money (forced union dues). Even more insidious was the ability of the union elected politicians to create policy harming the tax payer while supporting the unions. If my representative represents the union because of contributions, the system is broken. Any one standing for that system is not interested in honest government but the advancement of an agenda.

Walker has never said he is in favor of 'right to work' legislation and that has no bearing here.

Your 3% disenfranchisement number has no standing in reality. Please identify your source. I could easily say that fraud is assisting the election of Democrats. In fact, I have numerous news stories of fraudulent votes as proof.

@J.B. Schmidt....There is no money laundering, again a "red herring". The money belongs to the employee and they have the right to choose how it is dispersed. The federal court ruling last week has reinstated the automatic payment plus struck down the need for yearly certification by an absolute majority.

What I should have said is that if as little as 3% of the vote can be suppressed then that would make a critical difference in an election.

What I am challenging about your minority claim is that it wasn't just the public sector unions but at least half of the population of the state.

@Lyle
An Obama appointed judge, struck it done on some bogus 1st amendment BS. I have yet to read his statement, but I am sure it vague and easily overturned. If I could see the union verify they actually abide by that "they have the right to choose" bit, I might accept your argument. I haven't seen ASCFME on to many republican donor lists.

My minority claim is that, while yes the whole of the democratic party appears to jumping in this recall Walker boat, it is only a small portion of the Wisconsin workforce affected by what Walker did. So the many are answering the call of 10%.

@Jason
Did you every think that your tone could create the backlash you have seen? When you present yourself as angry or hate filled most people immediately become defensive. Learn to stop using words that hurt and start using words that help.

To answer your question. Obama was born in the Philippians. Shortly after the native ceremonial of rite of circumcision (which involves the barb of a sting ray and 2 shark teeth), two elders loaded baby Obama and 3 goats into a bangka (traditional dugout canoe) and paddled to Hawaii. After 2 months at sea, they arrived at Hawaii's big island. After locating his Grandmother, the elders offered the Hawaii government the 3 goats in exchange for a forged birth certificate. Thus fulfilling the prophecy of black boy becoming US president as depicted in Philippine cave drawings. This story came directly from the desk of Sheriff Arpaio in a memo to all white conservatives.

He is a fraud because he continues to trash the constitution.

Have a great day at work!

@J.B.-

I just fell out of my chair from laughing so hard!

That was AWESOME!!! You da man!

http://birthers.org/# .... its a total fake :)

Well someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed.

@Keith Schmitz
I write a blog expressing a something I am witnessing culturally in the US asking a simple question and I am self-immolating. While at the same time 3 blogs over you are you are practicing hero worship as you build an altar to ACA.

Ah yes, the fun on the Patch just never ends!!! :-)

LOL...that's precious.

That was awesome J.B

The law is very clear, when one is born outside of the land mass that is 'our country' to parents that are citizens of the USA serving in the military, you too are a citizen.

@Jason
I have defended you as a stay at home dad.
http://greendale.patch.com/blog_posts/reverse-robinhood
I defended your blog (a non-crazy one).
http://greendale.patch.com/blog_posts/senator-mary-lazichs-disturbing-love-affair-with-alec

You are on an open forum with people responding under assumed names. If you didn't expect that people would take advantage of that and attack you, you were naive. I have never seen you say anything positive on or about one of my blogs. However, I don't care. I know deep down you love me.

You need a little Stuart Smalley. "Because your good enough. Your smart enough. and doggone it, people like you."

Quit your crying Jason.

I don't think Zimmerman's problem was ever that he was 'racist', although is profiling of a black teenager in a hoodie in his upscale neighborhood as 'suspicious' might be just a little bit racist.

Zimmerman's problem is that he is looking more and more like a Dirty Harry wannabe. He lost a security job for being too aggressive in his handling of a party-goer, and there were complaints from people in his neighborhood association about him following people to their homes. This is not a man who should have been patrolling the area with a gun.

Under the 'stand your ground' law, Trayvon Martin had as much right to confront George Zimmerman for following him as George Zimmerman had to follow Trayvon Martin for being on a common area sidewalk.

The voice analysis of the screams for help on the 911 tape are not looking good for Zimmerman either.

@Randy1949 -

That's funny, cause all I ever see getting play about the whole incident on MS-NBC are the racial implications.

Face it, Stormy is right. If this was just a CSI analysis of the available facts and evidence, it never would have become a national story, would it have? Instead, it's been subverted by political interests in an attempt to secure a certain segment of our population to voting Democratic.

Exploitation media at its very worst. Utterly disgusting if you ask me!

@Stormy Weather -- That witness has since said he wasn't sure who was on top and that he'd been subject to some police pressure. I have definitely read more than just the liberal spin on this.

Why should I do a search on Zimmerman and Sherman Ware? I'm not arguing racism as the motive here. I'm arguing that Zimmerman's attitude and poor judgment turned an innocent situation of a kid walking to the store for some candy into a fatality.

"Regarding the voice analysis - Who paid for it?"

The Orlando Sentinel. No partiality for either side that I'm aware.

I read them, and you're right -- I don't care. Because I never said Zimmerman was a racist. Zimmerman is a hotshot on a law and order power trip, and it came together in a perfect storm of macho and testosterone poisoning on both sides.

I read three sites -- all the same piece, it seems -- and it tried to make it all about race. It isn't about race, it's about vigilantism -- 'us' versus 'them', people who belong in the neighborhood versus 'punks'.

I agree with you that the Black Panthers should stay out of it, and so should Geraldo, but we really ought to think about these laws that encourage dangerous confrontations.

Actually, I've seen an aerial shot of the area and the spot where the shooting took place. It is quite some distance from the street. The street was lined by townhouses with only one break between them, with a sidewalk heading to the back of the houses. The there would be aright turn onto a sidewalk that ran between the common back yards. Trayvon was staying in a house down near the end of the row. The shooting took place maybe a third of the way down.

Zimmerman had to follow him quite a distance from the street. Trayvon wasn't skulking through people's back yards. It was a common area with a sidewalk where people walked their dogs. There was also not much cover -- no bushes, shrubs. It was all open lawn.

The timeline will be crucial. There was a call from Trayvon's cell (to the girlfriend) with the 911 report of the fight and the gunshot only a few minutes later. I don't know where Zimmerman's 911 call fits into it.