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Wisconsin's First Wolf Hunt Fuels Lawsuit

More than 10,000 applications for wolf hunt permits have been submitted for a season that the Wisconsin Humane Society and others say shouldn't involve hunting dogs without more rules in place.

 

Concerned for the safety of hunting dogs brought along during Wisconsin's first wolf hunt this fall, the Wisconsin Humane Society has joined other groups in a lawsuit against the Wisconsin Department of Natural Resoures and Natural Resources Board.

The lawsuit, filed in Dane County Circuit Court, asks the court "to stop the DNR from authorizing the use of dogs for wolf hunting until reasonable rules are established to protect dogs from injury or death, according to a press release from the society. Other plaintiffs include outdoorsmen, hunters, volunteer trackers, and other Wisconsin animal welfare organizations.

When the state passed a law permitting the hunt, it included use of dogs for tracking and trailing — and it directed the DNR to set in place rules for use of these domestic animals, said Anne Reed, executive director of the Wisconsin Humane Society. She added: "They didn't do it."

"Wisconsin has just become the only state to allow dogs in wolf hunting, and we have done it with rules that do virtually nothing to protect dogs from being ripped apart by wolves," she said.

Wolves were given federal protection in the early 1970s, according to an article in The Wall Street Journal. The paper wrote that farmers and citizens reported more threats to dogs, deer and cattle as the wolf population grew out from northern Minnesota.

In January, the gray wolf was removed from the federally endangered species list in Wisconsin and other Midwest states, according to the Wisconsin DNR website. The DNR said it hoped to maintain the population at a healthy level and address problem areas of wolf attacks. A New York Times blog item said the Wisconsin wolf population is about 800.

"Wisconsin regulations will treat the gray wolf as a protected wild animal, which means that authorization from the DNR is required before a person can attempt to 'take' or kill a wolf," the website said.

More than 10,000 applications for wolf hunt permits have been submitted, and only 2,010 will be chosen via a lottery system, according to GazetteExtra.com. The hunt runs from Oct. 15 through the end of February. Applications cost $10 and are being taken through Aug. 31.

The Humane Society and others involved in the suit believe that wolf attacks on dogs being used in other animal hunts are proof that stronger regulations are needed before this season starts up.

"The DNR has paid more than $427,000 since 1985 to hunters whose unleashed hounds were killed by wolves while pursuing bears in known wolf pack areas," Reed said. "One-hundred and ninety-two dead hunting dogs in total, not to mention the 40 more treated for injuries at an additional cost of $20,000." (See attached PDFs.)

Reed said the law lacks training requirements for dogs, and leash restrictions that would keep hunting dogs in "safe proximity to their handlers," do not exist.

Bill Cosh, a spokesman with the Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources, has said the DNR is "disappointed" by the lawsuit, but added little other comment, according to the New York Times.

Related Topics: Bear Hunt, DNR, Domestic Animal Attacks, Lawsuit, Wisconsin Humane Society, Wolf Hunt, and hunting dogs

GBlair

10:09 am on Thursday, August 16, 2012

"Reed said the law lacks training requirements for dogs, and leash restrictions that would keep hunting dogs in "safe proximity to their handlers,"

So now they want the government to tell hunters how to train their dogs when hunting? The individuals who run bear, coyotes, coons, etc. with dogs, are NOT your local-yocal pet park dog owners. They have done this numerous times and understand the risk/rewards involved.

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Heather Rayne Geyer

10:22 am on Thursday, August 16, 2012

Clearly they do not...

"The DNR has paid more than $427,000 since 1985 to hunters whose unleashed hounds were killed by wolves while pursuing bears in known wolf pack areas," Reed said. "One-hundred and ninety-two dead hunting dogs in total, not to mention the 40 more treated for injuries at an additional cost of $20,000."

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Bob McBride

10:34 am on Thursday, August 16, 2012

Why is the DNR paying money to hunters who can't handle their dogs properly?

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GBlair

11:24 am on Thursday, August 16, 2012

@Heather Rayne Geyer - Clearly they know those risks. Now that they can hunt wolves legally, the owners have no recourse to ask for reimbursement. Back when they could, it was because the DNR was trying to tell them that wolves were not a problem and they were paying to keep that story. I am not too keen on the idea of running dogs for wolves, but do not feel it is the govt. responsibility to tell them "how to train them". Just tell them "yes you can" or "no you cant" use dogs to run wolves. They do not tell me how to train my bird dogs - and they could get killed by a wolf in the grouse woods.

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seriously?

12:46 pm on Thursday, August 16, 2012

Those who run the dogs are the very same group that required $450,000 of taxpayer money to reimburse them for their practices where they routinely lost dogs to wolves This very same group has insisted this new law allow them to use their dogs to hunt wolves. That indicates one of several possibilities:
1) They do NOT in fact understand the risk, or...

2) Since the $2,500 per dog paid by taxpayers was due to all the specialized training the dogs had received – the wolf hunters will only use dogs who have not received expensive training, or are in any way valuable. Meaning: Not trained. Not a specialized, expensive breed such as giant wolfhound. Just.. expendable.

They will just use them as bait, or to find a nursing female at her den with her pups. At the den, the female will have no choice but to stand and fight to protect the very small den entrance, so simply by being outnumbered, she will die defending her pups, simply torn to shreds in a dog fight.

Seems that using untrained dogs to "hunt" wolves would be uncomfortably similar to what happens at an inner city dog fight. What kind of training do hunters prefer, to train their dog to "hunt" wolves? Are pitbulls the new hunting dog of choice for this?

Wolves aren't going to stand around while a hunting dog is "on point" until the hunter arrives. Wolves don’t tree like a bear. There’s good reason no other state in the entire country allows use of dogs to hunt wolves.

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Bucky

9:10 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012

@GBlair ... But who if anyone in Wisconsin has ever trained and ran dogs for wolf ?

Johnny Paycheck

10:49 am on Thursday, August 16, 2012

$427,000? Now why on earth would it be the state's responsibility to compensate hunters who's dogs get killed by wild animals?

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Tom Gaertner

11:57 am on Thursday, August 16, 2012

For the same reason they compensate farmers for livestock losses due to wolf predation.

I would think there will be no compensation for dogs lost as a consequence of wolf hunting - but that different from loss of dogs from other hunting activities.

Brittany

11:40 am on Thursday, August 16, 2012

I for one am not keen on the idea at all of hunting wolves, much less using dogs in the process, and possibly killing wolves that may be pregnant. We are such an archaic society with having to shoot everything as a solution instead of looking at possible alternatives to take care of the problem I will continue to fight against wolf hunting period, in all states along with thousands of others who are a part of hundreds of groups.

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Tom Gaertner

11:58 am on Thursday, August 16, 2012

Archaic societies hunted and gathered.

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Greg

12:05 pm on Thursday, August 16, 2012

Brittany, How would you control the wolf population?

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Steve ®

12:09 pm on Thursday, August 16, 2012

Hunting a wolf for sport and food that is pregnant would be a bonus.

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Ben Hogan

3:33 pm on Thursday, August 16, 2012

Brittany@ I'm assuming you are Pro-Life? Could you please give us a possible alternative?

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carol

6:12 pm on Monday, October 22, 2012

I agree with you Brittany..i'm totally against it

Mitt Ryan

12:11 pm on Thursday, August 16, 2012

The backwardness of this issue is astounding!! The bear hunters who use dogs, bitched up a storm over wolves killing or maming there dogs. The DNR would compensate these hunters for death or injury, as well as farmers when wolves would kill there animials> It wasn't hush money,thats just crazy talk. Now these same hunters want to use these same dogs to hunt wolves!! I understand the need to control the wolf population, but using leg snares is of concern to me as a upland game bird hunter. If my dog gets killed or injuied by a leg snare on public land, compensates me? Get rid of the leg snares, baiting, and night hunting. and shorten the season.

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tosa townie

1:13 pm on Thursday, August 16, 2012

I would love to show any anti wolf hunting person my personal video of 3 wolves tearing apart a mother doe and fawn that I shot while bow hunting two years ago. These are monsters that should be exterminated, I have personally seen coyotes killed as well as deer by wolves merely for sport, they don't always eat what they kill.
Gut shot every last one of them until they are gone.

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Mitt Ryan

3:27 pm on Thursday, August 16, 2012

Monsters? Have you ever seen a hawk tear apart a squirrel? Or a cat pounce on a mouse and tear it apart? Monsters!!! we should exterminate them all!! Nature is violent,at all levels. Did you know, there has never been a documented case of a wolf attack on a human in the lower 48? I have no real problem with the hunt as I understand the population needs to be controlled and hunters, along with oversight, do a good job of that. However, in the legislatures rush to pass this law, no experts were called, and what resulted is shameful. But's thats what we have in Madison these days! I support the lawsuit, and hold out hope that we can enact rules that respect this animal, as we respect, or should respect all the animals, and fish we hunt.

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tosa townie

3:32 pm on Thursday, August 16, 2012

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf_attacks_on_humans

You have been watching to many Disney cartoons my friend, hawks don't kill for sport, and yes, if a cat is killing for sport and not eating the mouse, I say kill the cat. Me? I will continue gut shooting every wolf on my property with my AR15, just doing my part.

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Mitt Ryan

3:33 pm on Thursday, August 16, 2012

Monsters??? Have you ever seen a hawk swoop down on a squrril and tear it apart? how about a cat pouncing on a mouse?? Or a bass sneaking up on a minnow and gulping it down?? Monsters!!! Nature is violent! Animals killing for sport? Who would ever think!! I support the lawsuit, we need to respect what we hunt, and fish for. I am a hunter and fisherman, I don't snag fish or gut shoot anything. For you to suggest gut shooting speaks volumes of your ethical hunting standards!

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Bren

5:08 pm on Thursday, August 16, 2012

I recently read an article from the Billings Gazette about a grizzly that killed 70 sheep in 2 weeks on three ranches. Interestingly, the U.S. Dept. of Ag representative was quoted as saying the bear was doing this "for fun," but a state specialist stated that domestic sheep were being targeted because the bear received a "protein reward." Here's a link to the article, "http://billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/montana/search-on-for-montana-grizzly-that-killed-sheep/article_eed7b780-1f07-55f6-8367-ee0efa989398.html";

It's important to avoid anthropomorphization. The animal kingdom has its own set of rules which have some human parallel within low cognitive function parameters (e.g. fight/flight reflex). Some animal behaviorists suggest that a cat rubbing its face against your leg or face while purring is not showing love and affection, but dominance/ownership. Symbiotic relationships between animals and humans certainly exist, but we may be misinterpreting some of what we see.

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Johnny Paycheck

1:29 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012

The fawn was going to have an unhappy ending in any regard if you shot it's mother. Seems they both would have been ok if you hadn't wounded its mother with your bow...

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Bucky

9:29 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012

@ tosa townie ... I understand why you gut shoot wolf's because you are a violator. So , by gut shooting them your only intent is to make sure that the animal still has enough life to leave your property so you don't get caught by the state game wardens. Animals that are gut shot lead a slow painful death. Ethics of a good hunter is to take a good clean kill shot. Which you are not. I hope that your semi auto assault rifle never jams when your surrounded in the middle of a pack. It would be interesting to watch a wolf rip your guts out.

Bren

2:09 pm on Thursday, August 16, 2012

People used to see wolves as evil, vicious predators when in fact we have invaded their habitat. I think it's important to remember that these naturally private animals are driven back into populated areas because of hunger. Whatever decisions need to be made to keep people safe, it should never be forgotten or respected that wildlife was here first.

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tosa townie

2:12 pm on Thursday, August 16, 2012

You are ignorant ma'am and should not have an opinion on these wild beasts.

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Greg

2:46 pm on Thursday, August 16, 2012

Everything that Bren stated is true. At the same time, we must accept that the wolf population needs to be controlled. Respect for the wolf and safety of the hunting dog is OK, in my book. I still question the wisdom of reintroducing the wolf into certain areas and respect may mean elimination.

David Tatarowicz

2:38 pm on Thursday, August 16, 2012

I can see having tracking dogs on leashes for finding the wolves --- but letting them loose after them is like taking a knife to a gun fight. The wolves will tear the dogs apart.

Of more concern is trapping -- this is cruel and the animals suffer needlessly. I think I had heard that we would be the only state to allow traps !!

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Jamie

11:25 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012

David Tatarowicz, honestly trapping would be the best practice of controlling the wolf population. It is not inhumane and if you think it is you have lots to learn about the best management practices of fine trappers across the country. Now before anyone replies make sure you understand these practices that modern trappers go through to give trapped animals comfort in the leg hold trap and to almost eliminate untargeted animals getting caught. Traps are effective day or night and any animal can be released from a leg trap , without a problem. Especially with laminated and rubber jaws, I've had traps snap on my hands with "no pain at all". I've caught 30 cats in 2weeks ,released them and some would be caught again in a day or two! So obviously they would not come back for more if it were that damaging.The days of teeth on traps and animals sitting days in traps are gone. Modern trappers have it tougher making a living off the land than the wolf does ! All for the wolf hunt but trapping is the most humane(no wounded animals) and by far the most effective !!!!!!

Brittany

2:44 pm on Thursday, August 16, 2012

I can understand the issue's and there are no easy answers. There are groups like Defenders of Wildlife, Sierra Club, etc. that try to find non-lethal, coexistence solutions. Some are being monitored, but I don't know the results on ranchers and farmers in WI through a coexistence program. Ranchers/farmers would need to do their part too for deterence. I certainly don't like seeing their livestock being killed either. I don't like to see any animals killed, hurt, maimed, whatever. . Maybe a relocation program down to quota. After all they were infiltrated back in during the 1990's throughout the Rockies. Use tranquilizers and through the Wildlife groups find places for relocation that would be good locations for the wolves to go and for the farmers, ranchers, livestock, dogs, etc. They've done this in the Nortwest. I also would put a ban on any breeders in the state of any Wolf hybrids.

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Bren

6:42 pm on Thursday, August 16, 2012

I 100% agree with the ban on breeding wolf hybrids.

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Jamie

11:41 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012

Brittany, when we relocate them what happens when they over populate the new areas. Especially when our economy is in the toilet, would you give the government say , double the taxes they are taking from you now? What kills wolves, disease,starvation, maybe a car other than that nothing! We are in control of God's creations, it like other animals are a renewable resource which can be utilized. After all in the bible they ate fish and animals! I harvested a cougar in 2000 and yes my family ate it , my guide told me to eat it and I'm telling you it was better than any pork chop I have ever had and it was pure unlike meat you buy in a store!

Brittany

3:00 pm on Thursday, August 16, 2012

@David Yes, I go back to archaic in the use of traps and it is cruel. There are many more wildlife, etc., that will be found in those traps.

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vocal local 1

3:39 pm on Thursday, August 16, 2012

Brittany, I fully agree. I totally diagree with hunting wolves. The DNR should trap or allow hunters to hunt with tranquiler guns and sterilize and release. Wolves are so smart hopefully they will get out of hunting areas or hole up until after this horrible hunting season. As for killing deer and fawns thats their natural food source. Whats your problem tosa wouldn't this satisify your lust to kill?

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tosa townie

3:41 pm on Thursday, August 16, 2012

So it is okay for a pack of wolves to tear a part a mother doe and fawn, piece by piece while they are still alive, eat some of it, but let the majority go to waste and get eaten by scavengers, but we can't trap or shoot them? interesting.

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Heather Asiyanbi

4:21 pm on Thursday, August 16, 2012

@tosa townie - nature has ways of doing things that humans perhaps don't understand. Wolves are at the top of the food chain (only topped by bears, I'd guess) so them leaving "waste" is what feeds a myriad other animals in the forest. I hate using this term from a Disney movie, but there is truth in the circle of life. People kill wild animals like wolves because people misunderstand them. If you ever watched Animal Planet, you'd see plenty of hunts in the wild where the predator eats the prey while the prey is still alive. That doesn't make them monsters, it's just part of nature.

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Jim Price

11:41 pm on Thursday, August 16, 2012

tosa townie, yep, it is A-OK for a wolf or wolf pack to rip into a deer or fawn, just like they've been doing for about 1 million years. Nature, red in tooth and claw. The point of this story is whether it is right to send dogs out after them, perhaps in the knowledge that some of your dogs may not come back in one piece. If you think all wolves should be extirpated, fine. But that is not the point of the law or this story. The point is, if wolves are to be controlled, should dogs' lives be risked? Can you stick to that point?

tosa townie

4:24 pm on Thursday, August 16, 2012

Well then Heather, I hope you reason and rationalize 'its just a part of nature' if a pack of wolves attacks you or your children...food chain and all.....

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adam

4:30 pm on Thursday, August 16, 2012

and the last wolf attack on a human in the U.S was when?

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Heather Asiyanbi

6:50 pm on Thursday, August 16, 2012

@tosa townie - I have to echo @adam here. When was the last wolf attack on a human in the US or even just here in Wisconsin? I think that's an exaggerated fear that a lot of people use to justify killing wild animals for no other good reason. And yes, I understand about protecting livestock. That is separate from what I'm stating here.

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laurylandhardy@gmail.com

9:19 am on Saturday, August 18, 2012

Tosa townie, I have a question, in rereading your comments you said you shot a " a mother doe and fawn" during bow season 2 years ago and witnessed this encounter of wolves "tearing apart a live mother doe and fawn". How is it they where they still alive if you shot them? I was raised in a family of hunters and taught to kill with one shot to prevent animals from needlessly suffering.

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Mitt Ryan

7:43 pm on Thursday, August 16, 2012

There has never been a documented case of a wolf attack in the lower 48. Never.One way to tell if a deer was killed by a wolf is that there is very little if anything left of the carcass. Bones included. Coyotes do not eat the the larger bones as their jaws are not as strong. So I call into question TT your watching a wolf kill. But if you have a vid. post it!!

Brittany

4:49 pm on Thursday, August 16, 2012

The problem is the aggressive and inhumane tactics of trapping and shoot to kill is not a total solution. It's not a permanent solution. This is not the first time where the over quota population of wolves has reached this point all across the US. Take a look at research. And why is that, well it goes back to Bren's statement of our invasion into their territory and that goes for any wildlife. Where do we expect them to go? Native American Indians and wildlife coexisted very well. . It's time for more innovative tactics. As Vocal Local 1 said, Wolves are very smart animals. You may have a dozen or so in a pack. In relocation efforts it's a matter of working with the pack leader and the rest will follow.

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Brittany

4:54 pm on Thursday, August 16, 2012

@Heather Your Absolutely right! And I watch 'Animal Planet' too. When I was just a tiny tot there was 'Wild Kingdom' on Sunday's.

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Mary Anderson

6:14 pm on Thursday, August 16, 2012

tosa please tell tell me what you really know about wolves. How many sub-species are there in NA? Which one is present in WI? Coyotes do FAR more killing of fawns because THERE ARE THOUSANDS! The only predator that actually kills them? Wolves. You are an uneducated idiot spouting off about things you have ZERO knowledge about. Shut up or put up. Using dogs to hunt wolves is absurd since they readily kill dogs. Meh you must be a dog bear hunter, not known for their remarkable intelligence.

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Jamie

12:04 am on Saturday, August 18, 2012

Mary, I believe we have the canadian gray wolf here in WI. And yes you are right coyotes will take down a mature buck occasionally but that might be why we basically have no limit hunting on them. Number one killer of fawns is by far the black bear, because of their sense of smell(sometimes smelling food for miles) ! And I beg to differ on your comment about houndsmen being dumb, as these guys are quite intelligent and I've seen these men,women and children in show great respect and love for their hounds, and all animals for that matter! Trappers and houndsmen are probably the most decent people I've ever met in the area unlike the weekend warrior types in the woods, that the non hunting community portrays all hunters to be !!!!! I can't speak for tosa, but you claimed him to be uneducated but I believe you have some to learn for yourself ,don't you think ?

vocal local 1

6:22 pm on Thursday, August 16, 2012

tosa townie
Wolves KILL then eat. Further, they oftentimes come back to a kill to eat again and if they don't there are other scavengers dependent on the kill. NO! you shouldn't be able to trap or shoot them. Your not eating the kill now are you? AGAIN, there are much more humane methods to control the wolf population. Allow Sportsmen to buy a licence, contribute to the cost, and use tranqualizer guns, sterilize and release.

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Wen

8:08 am on Friday, August 17, 2012

Absolutely agree with you. Its really sad to see how humans want to solve everything with guns. Whatever animals do they do because that's their nature. They're ANIMALS! We are supposed to be the thinking creatures in this world, lets act like it.

Mitt Ryan

8:30 pm on Thursday, August 16, 2012

Mary, there are two sub-species in Wis. the gray and the silver. In Wis. they have inter-bred. that was a reason the de-listing was held up. The silver is still protected. However, it is impossible to tell them apart in the wild without genetic testing. Wolves, by a large travel in packs of 4-6 led by a dominate female, there was a video posted a couple years back of a hunter in Wis. that caught 12 or so on camera. One speculation was that there was a number of females that gave birth and the pups hadn't left the pack yet. I don't think tranqualizing, sterilizing is practical. Hunting them is the only real way to control the population, with quotas as established by the DNR. 2,100 permits being issued with a kill quota of 201. That being said, trapping as allowed, baiting, dogs, and night hunting has a number of troubling aspects. I am a avid hunter, but won't take part in the wolf hunt, I eat what I kill, and won't eat wolf, and I don't want one stuffed!

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Tom Gaertner

9:20 pm on Thursday, August 16, 2012

Brittany...

I'd be very interested in learning more about your credentials. You opine with such authority upon the manipulatiion of wildlife populations by means of sterilization. And you imply expertise about Native American culture.

You quote 'research' yet offer no citations.

I guess I'd like to know more about your pedigree.

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Mary Anderson

9:56 am on Friday, August 17, 2012

There is much more to the 201 quota than numbers. It is much more complex. There is the pack hierarchy to consider, pregnant females, their breeding season etc. Do they even have real wolf biologists on their team? I believe they have gone about this completely wrong for such a small number of animals. Eradicating half of this small population in some rather questionable methods is just over the top. I have zero issue culling problem wolves which is already done by the SSS method. Not to mention poaching. Eleven known kills were made last year during deer season. How many more unknown? DNR is being completely irresponsible. The bear dog hunters should never have been paid for dog loss when they already know the risks but sacrifice their dogs regardless. Do they get paid when a bear maims or kills a dog? Of course not.
Mitt the sub-species are more complex than gray/silver. The sub-species here in WI, MN and MI is the Great Plains Wolf. They once had the largest historical range of any sub-species. The Great Lakes wolves are direct descendents of what was once thought as the extinct Great Plains Wolf. They ARE NOT the same species as the Yellowstone wolves those are Mackenzie Valley wolves, the LARGEST sub-species in N.A. So endeth the lesson.

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$$andSense

10:49 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012

I am so touched by the comments made here that advocate the wuffies. WDNR should hire Disney (at incredible taxpayer cost of course) to make a documentary about how misunderstood these poor animals are and what they do for us. Just like feral cats and dogs. We just need to understand them. Let's schedule a listening, encounter group with the wolves so we can better assist their assimilation with farmers, ranchers and the feely good earth first types in their southern WI back yards, as wuffie’s extend their unrestrained range. Oh, this could be so special. Better get Fluffy and Poochey in before dark or they will be dinner for that uninvited guest!

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jbw

5:22 am on Saturday, August 18, 2012

Meh. I'd rather see the mass-manufactured and engineered recreational pets wiped out than the wolves, that actually have some legitimate place within a functioning ecosystem. But no, we have to not only keep spending millions to breed and buy more new pets, we need to pay to control and shelter millions more that have become "unwanted". People who love their animals don't love them enough to end the cycle, it seems.

I'd have to agree with the sentiment that the new law without any rules or guidance seems a bit ill-conceived. What kind of hunter would send a dog after a pack of wolves? We are talking about a hunt that is really tiny in scope compared to deer hunting, though, since the wolves are still very few in number, so the consequences are somewhat limited. Those wolves were eliminated the first time to help create a huge overpopulation of deer for more deer hunting profits, after all, nevermind the rampant disease it caused.

The least valuable animals of all, of course, are my fellow humans. We have surpluses in the billions in that population, most of whom have nothing but a modest to large net negative contribution to the functioning of this world, with the largest amounts of waste and destruction per capita originating in this country. But our lives are more important because we wrote books that say so, right?

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$$andSense

7:57 am on Saturday, August 18, 2012

For you intellectual types that have a disdain for the human race, here are three rules for you to live by.

1. Do not procreate.
2. Off yourself without harming others.
3. Off yourself soon.Suicide is the most sincere form of self criticism.

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adam

8:34 am on Saturday, August 18, 2012

@$$andSense, please do not offer advice without first following it yourself. Thanks. I hope it works out well for you.

$$andSense

12:20 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012

adam
The three rules apply to you as well. You are wasting my precious air keeping you alive. If you don't like people, then it is unfortunate that your mothers' didn't abort you or drown you at birth.

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Mary Anderson

1:14 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012

You may have $$, apparently not much sense. Your kind has been over breeding unchecked for years. Perpetuating idiocy and bad temperaments in any breeding program is most notably done by the uneducated and the ignorant. Take a real hard look in your "mirror, mirror on the wall" try hard not to believe "You are the fairest of them all". Betcha can't do it.

vocal local 1

2:18 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012

Hey Folks, I've watched the comments. I respect the opinions and suggest all call their state assemblymen and state senators monday morning, send them an e or do both putting the pressure on them to act. I favor allowing the sportsmen to shoot with tranqualizer guns or trap and turn them over to the DNR for sterlization and release. The cost of the license can off-set costs and area vets, state, and county vets can be enlisted to assist. It's the most humane measure of population control. CALL MADISON

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$$andSense

2:59 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012

This is comical. Wolves should be treated as one more welfare recipient per the taxpayer's dime. Now that is really special.

I will contact the Natural Resources board and recommend they allow every landowner aggreived by wolf predation to allow them to shoot them on sight (with lead bullets, not drugs) and make it punishable to interfere with the landowners right to do so. This should make the Mary A. Disney's scream with horror. We do exist. Have for a long time like the native's of this country and those like myself whose ancestors came from old Europe. Oh, the horror! The horror!

(hehehehehe)

Best go get some more Kleenex Mary. Your tears and angry spittle are shorting out your keyboard.

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Mary Anderson

5:53 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012

Ern....Yes that would be the way to do it, let property owners cull the problem wolves. I already stated that in an earlier posting. Try reading for comprehension perhaps you lack the "sense" Oooo big surprise there. YOU wanna play? you need to perform a little better than throwing around inane insults.

I live in wolf country and raise livestock, I get them on my game cam, If they caused me problems I'd could practice the 3 S's instead of whining about the "big bad wolf". I know... "the horrors". That's a big difference from hunting the whole population during the denning/heat cycle using dogs. This issue should never have become an absolute. However if you can't/won't use critical thinking and instead prefer acting as a sheeple then I can imagine there are only 2 colors in existence for you.

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$$andSense

8:10 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012

The 3's! Excellent! Another convert! Love it! Same goes for feral cats and dogs. White tail deer/Canada geese/turkeys/etc./etc. Too many of them is not good. We can all get along within limits. Wolves are a completely different class. These are not feral dogs. These are highly intelligent creatures that will stop at nothing for a meal if allowed to go unabated. Do I appreciate their existence? You betcha. Have come across them on my land in Shawano Co. Beautiful but dangerous if you treat them like a deer or squirrel. They are nothing like coyotes which are cowards in comparison but can also be a big problem. My point is, people need to be informed of the danger wolves represent, especially when they move into urbanized areas, and they will. 40 years ago it was never thought that deer and geese would invade our villages and cities, yet they have. The average person has no hint of the intelligence or predatory skill of a wolf. I respect wolves for what they are but do not want their presence among people to go unchecked. Fair enough for a compromise?

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Mary Anderson

9:47 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012

Moderation is key to everything. Kinda funny we have very few feral cats or dogs in the North woods. Could it be because of wolves?

In reality it the complete overabundance of coyotes and the fisher. Which also raise havoc with the ruffed grouse and red fox population. Maybe we need MORE wolves to keep them in check. Or at least push their abundance farther south to Shawano Co.

$$andSense

10:11 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012

South to Shawano Co? A friend of mine on the northern fringe of Ozaukee Co. has photos and video of them on his land. They howl from time to time (hunting calls). This is less than 25 miles from Milwaukee Co. A wolf can cover that distance in less than a day. Get my drift about the unchecked range? This will get out of hand.

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Mary Anderson

6:37 pm on Monday, August 20, 2012

OMG! They are invading the city! Whatever will the people do? Either that was hybrid or your friend can't tell the difference between a real wolf and "brush" wolf.

$$andSense

10:24 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012

BTW

"Kinda funny we have very few feral cats or dogs in the North woods."

When my family lived in Shawano Co. we made sure of the same thing. Strange how a shotgun or rifle took care of that problem, along with the excess coyotes.

Uh, oh. I just set off the Disney types again. Shame on me!

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Mary Anderson

6:50 pm on Monday, August 20, 2012

So you ARE a city dweller! Feral cats and dogs don't have a snowballs chance in hell in the wilds of WI. They are free meals here. No need to get the 30-06, not to mention that it's the wrong gun for the job, unless you're a sloppy shot.

vocal local 1

2:03 am on Sunday, August 19, 2012

15 or more years ago on family property in Oak Creek there was a wolf den on the property. I only saw it once. The property is adjacent to the green strip corridor. Two years ago a cougar was sited across the street. When I moved into the house the wolf abondoned the den. I later learned of a party that lost their domestic wolf and suspect that was the occupant of the den. Again, the only humane population control is sterilization and release. The Wisconsin Humane Society has a free feral cat program. They will rent one the trap, sterilize the cat, lop off one ear tip for identification as a feral and allow it's release at the trap site. Controls the problem without slattering unsuspecting animals. Call Madison..

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$$andSense

7:53 am on Sunday, August 19, 2012

Controls what problem? I do not want your free running or feral cat or dog, sterilized or not, on my property, crapping, digging and making a general nuisance. And I certainly do not want wolves, sterilized or not, preying on whatever it wants on my property. Call the dopes in Madison? For what? Lock and load I say.

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vocal local 1

8:26 am on Sunday, August 19, 2012

Ignorance and intolerance begets more of the same so here it goes: I don't want you or your kids on my property. Stealing, destroying, you as a dog walker allowing your pet to crap in and destroy my flower beds. Lock and Load? You better think again. Yes, I have the Castle Law. Still I will be arrested, Jailed, arraigned, possibly allowed bail if I can afford it and freed if I can obtain good defense. You support killing unsuspecting defenseless life. Go back to europe and take your decendants with you.

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$$andSense

9:03 am on Sunday, August 19, 2012

Did I hit a nerve or what with you granola?

My kids have been raised with the same respect I was towards others' property - stay off unless invited.

Not sure about the stealing and destroying part unless you apply that to hunting which I love. Venison is delicious.

"you as a dog walker allowing your pet to crap in and destroy my flower beds.
allowing your pet to crap in and destroy my flower beds". True, I have a dog but he stays in our fenced in yard. Never once crapped or peed on someone else's property. And he is "fixed". Do I know you?

"Lock and Load? You better think again. Yes, I have the Castle Law. Still I will be arrested, Jailed, arraigned, possibly allowed bail if I can afford it and freed if I can obtain good defense."
What is that about? The topic is wolves that went to feral/free running pets. Now you are gearing up to shoot people? Way too much info there pal. Get some help.

"You support killing unsuspecting defenseless life."
Guilty as charged. I have unwittingly contributed to the supply of road kill on our highways but have not gone out of my way to make it a reality, So, you got me there. Should I have swerved and taken out the motorist and their occupants in the oncoming lane to avoid the travesty of killing the defenseless critter?

"Go back to Europe and take your descendants with you."
Unless you harken from Asia or Africa, I think your share the same beginnings. Share the ride back?

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Mary Anderson

6:26 pm on Monday, August 20, 2012

You know what? I have and it was the absolutely the most fabulous thing ever. Years ago a guy had 2 male Arctic wolves that he would bring into bars. (he was a local) They were enormous, gentle and friendly. I will never forget their beauty, presence and generosity in a throng of drunk people. Better behaved than most
dogs I know.

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$$andSense

9:41 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012

Mary. Most of us know the difference between a brush and timber wolf.

"So you ARE a city dweller! Feral cats and dogs don't have a snowballs chance in hell in the wilds of WI. They are free meals here. No need to get the 30-06, not to mention that it's the wrong gun for the job, unless you're a sloppy shot."

Yes, a village dweller with lots of land in nothern WI. Step out to 300 yards and I will show you, standing behind me because I am not threatening you, that I can plant the hurt on a wolf, deer or anything else to be connected with at that distance. A 22 or shotgun does not cut it. Your favorite caliber at that distance?

Mary Anderson

9:26 pm on Saturday, September 1, 2012

22-250 works wonders as a varmint rifle. A 17 is brilliant but you won't get the distance.

Thank goodness someone with two brain cells quashed the dogs. Gah! I can't believe it was even advocated.

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Wolflover13

10:01 am on Friday, October 12, 2012

seriously? if a dog is chasing a bear a wolf is not going to randomly jump out and kill your dog. in all likely occasions the bear turned around and killed the hound. a predator will not attack a dog while a bigger and angry predator is in the same area. its just not going 2 happen

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vocal local 1

4:56 am on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

Neither the elect or the DNR is listing to the majority on this issue. The hunt will occur.
Your without voice per your voting so live with it or examine who you are voting for. VOTE the deadbeat INCUMBENTS OUT.

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Gregory Kluck

10:15 am on Wednesday, October 24, 2012

I found some stats on wolves attacking humans...it's a rare occurrence.
http://www.aws.vcn.com/wolf_attacks_on_humans.html

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