@teacherken Kenneth Bernstein
RT @WePartyPatriots Small Biz Owner in Walker Ad Is Billionaire Outsourcer, Member of China Biz Council bit.ly/sXwEJg #1u #WIUnion

Recall Steve to ... winner.

You really think Walker needs to comment on everything that appears on the Daily Kos propaganda machine?

This is the 56th incident of right on left violence since the recall started. Not a peep from King Walker.

Has the Dem leadership commented on any of the left on right violence or the death threats against Walker and the other Republicans? There have been bad actors on both sides--do you really think that recall petitioners are so special that they deserve a special mention from the governor when they get assaulted?

King Walker is running this ship. He needs to step up and be a leader, and stop trying to change the subject by attacking the constitutional rights of his political opponents.

Screw us and we multiply... and you lose your voting rights (and get a new address).

@Bob McBride Senior -

Funny, but I can't seem to find the article on the Daily Kos denouncing the facebook death threats made against Walker or the threatening facebook posts that professional protestor Miles Kristan left on Walker's sons respective facebook pages. Or all of the reported acts of uncivil conduct being displayed by the recallers towards Walker supporters, or the trespass that the recallers are constantly making on private property in their attempts to gather signatures.

Where’s the denouncement from the left or the Wisconsin Dems for this kind of behavior?

How can you honestly expect anything when your side isn't free from throwing stones itself?

Let’s get real here Senior!

Is King Walker the leader of Wisconsin or not? If he is, he needs to act like a leader and stop blaming his followers for all of his misdeeds.

The truth is that Walker feels the same as FreeAWD and enjoys watching right on left violence. He thinks maybe that will make us stop. We're like Obi Wan Kenobi -- striking us down only makes us more powerful.

B McB Senior:

What are you even talking about? What 'followers' are being blamed by Walker for his 'misdeeds'?

By failing to denounce violence against followers, King Walker is condoning it.

Why aren't you holding own side's leadership to the same standards then?

Righties have the house, the senate, the governership, the supreme court. The righties dominate every man, woman, and child in this state. There's Dem leaders in WI? That's news to me.

If you truly think that the Democratic party and/or the Recall Walker movement is leaderless, try watching the news a little more often and reading Daily Kos a little less often...

The republican mentality is to look up to a person, a hero, a powerful person, a rich person and just do whatever that person says. The democratic mentality is to look down, to the facts and to logic and then make decisions based on that, regardless of what powerful people say. Righties just can't imagine doing something unless someone important tells them to do it.

The citizens of Wisconsin voted said leaders in power last November in a real, legal election after watching the left destroy the state for years. It's funny that you only have the daily kos left to cry upon and get your propaganda.

It must be fun posing there, I can't imagine what a liberal circle jerk looks like.

Dictator Walker is a puppet of the one percent, and even the righties are realizing it, which is why they are resorting to violence. Realizing they have been scammed by the rich makes them do bad things.

@Cow

Walker needs to denounce the violence being perpetuated by his fans. A good leader would do that! But Walker is not a good moral leader so I know he will not.

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CowDung

2:44 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011

You really think Walker needs to comment on everything that appears on the Daily Kos propaganda machine?

morninmist:

I will then repeat what I asked before--why are you trying to hold Walker to a standard that you don't demand of your own party leadership?

What Dem leadership? Democrats are bottom-up, republicans are top-down. When the democrats lead, the party figureheads follow. So I am the leader of the democratic party and I denounce all violence period. Now it's Walker's turn.

@Bob McBride Senior...I highly doubt that you really are Bob McBride Sr. since I just found out reading these threads that Bob McBride II lost his father in April, may he rest in peace. In general, I oppose the use of non de plumes and especially when it comes to using one that may be confused with a real person. I, as a democratic socialist and part of the left, think what you are doing is definitely uncalled for.

Although Bob McBride and I often find ourselves on the opposite side of issues and opinions; I have the up most respect for him. He has a good mind and writes with clarity and eloquence. Please consider changing your non de plume or come out and use your real identity. You are not helping the mission of the left by your actions.

Lyle, I do appreciate your words, however, until its inferred otherwise I'm going to assume they're from one of the other clans in town.

Walker looks like a whipped dog on TV. He knows that the end is coming.

Steve a circle jerk looks like that thing that you have in your hand.

Are you blaming Walker for that?

Even GWB was smart enough to denounce violence against muslims after 9-11. Walker, not so much.

Who are you?

I'm me.

Me too -- weird coincidence that we have similar names. Are we related?

No we're not.

@Bob McBride -

Having a little multiple personality disorder I see. Our Koch masters are not pleased that your senior ego is posting links to the Daily Kos. David told me to tell you to either take your anti-psychotic meds or no more peanuts for you!

I think he's having an extended senior moment, whomever's daddy he is.

Mine's been out at Holy Cross since April.

Do you still have him sitting in the rocking chair in the front room ?

Hoffa ... were you on your knees when David gave you that command ?

Bucky
7:13 pm on Wednesday, December 21, 2011
Do you still have him sitting in the rocking chair in the front room ?

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Who are you referring to here, Bucky?

This is awesome. Another right wing puppet of the one percent gets sent packing.

Here is the article.
We will collect till the deadline--.

http://dane101.com/current/2011/12/19/total_recall_enough_signatures_for_wanggaard_recall_other_senate_recalls_close_or

Total Recall: Enough signatures for Wanggaard recall, other Senate recalls close or on track

Post by Christie Taylor on 12/19/2011 9:15am

UPDATED: 9:45 a.m.

As of Sunday morning volunteers for the campaign to recall Sen. Van Wanggaard of the 21st district have collected at least 16,000 petition signatures, more than the 15,500 that would make him eligible for recall.

Wanggaard, whose district covers Racine County, is one of four Republican senators targeted for recall this winter, and volunteers in his district are passing around three petitions instead of the usual two.

"We're going all out every single day," said Kelly Gallaher, organizer of the progressive group Communities for Change, a partner organization in the campaign to recall Wanggaard.

The petitions still have to be sent to Madison, where the Democratic Party will weed out duplicates and incomplete signatures and make the count official, Galleher said, but meanwhile the signature thermometer at the volunteer headquarters in Racine was red to the 16,200 mark Sunday morning...............

Wanggaard is more than safe!

Even if an election is triggered, Wanggaard won the 2010 election by more than a 5-point margin.

And for those who forgot already, the recent Supreme Court race went like this in Senate District 21:
Prosser - 23,192 (53.70%) Kloppenburg - 19,997 (46.30%)

That’s a 7.4 point spread in favor of the conservatives boys and girls.

Not to mention that the Dems don’t even have anyone to run against Wanggaard yet!

This recall is nothing but a monumental waste of time and money, period!

well, James..

A lot has happened since April. He may not be as safe as you think.

Cheers.

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James R Hoffa

10:56 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011

Wanggaard is more than safe!........

@morninmist -

What has happened since April in regards to Wanggaard exactly?

Every bill he authored that was introduced and passed had bi-partisan support. Not to mention that his jobs bill was just recently introduced and is currently going through the legislative process.

So please explain what Wanggaard has done since April to deserve being recalled, and please be specific here.

Yipeeeee , Yahooooooo ...

Name-calling only betrays your lack of confidence about the strength of your position.

"Name-calling only betrays your lack of confidence about the strength of your position."

That statement seems to say a lot about you and your position, "Bob McBride Senior"...

I have been nothing but polite and cordial. I have logic and truth on my side.

Since Scott Walker is neither a 'dictator' or a 'king' as you claimed, I'm thinking that truth really isn't on your side as much as you claim it to be...

Yes, there's nothing wrong with insuring accuracy in the process, especially seeing as we're set to invest a small fortune in it. The more transparency we have, the more everyone can feel that they've been fairly represented - everyone who isn't foaming at the mouth whenever their side doesn't win, anyway.

There's no way a gubernatorial election is going to be decided by more than a 2% margin here, so any claims that this or that party has "the will of the people" behind it are patently false. The off-the-scale boasting of how landslide victories were assured against Prosser and Darling because they were a "referendum on the policies of Scott Walker" didn't change our more-or-less 50/50 partisan split, either. What was the outcome of that "referendum" by that way, I forget?

@BMS... you wouldn't know logic if it asked you to sign a recall petition. Your claims are like all liberal rants... an emotional, logic-free, prepubescent rant.

BREAKING: In his only concession to Democrats, Walker agrees to only wear Napoleon costume on Tuesdays and Thursdays.

So much for polite and cordial. All you are now, BMS, is crazy.

...but he is rather polite and cordial.

Crazy, yet polite and cordial people are fun at parties, but there usefulness ends there.

And,he has truth on his side....

Violence against people engaged in recall elections is a felony, and those carrying out the violence face up to 3 years in prison. Not crazy. Fact.

That's not good news for your side BMS... Of course, being a felon has never stopped your side from voting anyway.

""This is a group that admitted to being a part of a voter caging scheme, and this is a group that was talking about suppressing votes and voter intimidation," Zielinski said."

The GAB fully exonerated the Wisconsin Grandsons of Liberty from all of the false allegations leveled by the left.

http://www.wisconsingrandsonsofliberty.com/uploads/GAB_Letter.pdf

Graeme Zielinski = nothing but a professional LIAR and Democratic agitator whose mission is to divide the state to suit his party's ideological agenda. The group should sue him for libelous/slanderous defamation!

This is one of those rare points in history where only one party (the republic party) is bringing us a lot of dangerous "ideas" (i.e., trying to refute science, turn back civil rights, and change the constitution to restrict individual liberties). Hence, aligning against them is pretty good short-hand for doing the moral and upstanding thing.

When will Graeme Zielinski denounce all the lies from the left? Also his own...

Science be with you

You're on the sea otters' side Steve?

Different address, though, I bet.

Since the signatures have not yet made public, NO one, including you or God has found their names on the petitions at this point in time.

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Nate

5:52 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011

I found my name on the petition but all they put down was God.

Nat ... sure that's not dog ?

Is that any more grandiose than, say, "We are Wisconsin"? The "99%"? Tell you what - I'll mention your concerns about the flag at our next secret meeting if you'll take up the topic of assumptive inclusion at yours.

@Randy1949... Your ancestors would be ashamed of you.

Sam,
are you a psychic? Can you let me know how my grandparents feel?

@Sam Vedder -- Which ancestors and for what? Do you even understand what the American Revolution was all about?

@Randy1949... If you really had ancestors that fought in the Revolutionary War and or were on the Mayflower; those ancestors would be ashamed of you. The Revolutionary War was simply about taxation without representation. Don't you (and your comrades) see that Walker is fighting that war right now?! Our money (at least my money cause I have a job) is being taken from me and used to pay lavish benefits to public workers and I was not being properly represented. Walker is taking on that fight and fighting for me and the rest of us to pay a fair amount of taxes and provide public workers a fair benefits package that is in line with majority of people in this state. Don't you see that? JOIN THE REVOLUTION and make your ancestors proud.

@Sam Vedder...As someone who's family has been in North America since 1629 and have fought in every war hence, your comments to Randy1949 are offensive to say the least. My family participated in the founding of the first public school and Harvard University. The cache phrases that you use about taxation without representation are far from adequate. Reading letters from the time between family members has brought to light that hey wanted to be counted as full British citizens with representation in Parliament. It wasn't just taxation but a whole range of issues. If they would have had seats in Parliament, there would have been no question on paying taxes, they would have gladly paid them.

Just like now, it was the wealthy who were chaffing about having to pay taxes. The white protestant plutocracy of the Colonies were the ones who decided for the revolutionary war. Our nation has been ruled by the wealthy plutocracies every since.

to claim Walker is fighting for your rights is extremely naive. He represents the wealthy oligarchy only. Unless you are part of that oligarchy, he does not represent you and what you interpret as support is nothing more than smoke and mirrors.

@Sam Vedder -- Lyle couldn't have said it better. First of all, this is the second time someone has questioned my honesty on The Patch, and it's rude. Don't speak for my ancestors. They were clergy-people who preached taking care of the less fortunate.

You aren't the only person who pays tax. I pay quite a bit of it to the State of Wisconsin, and I would like a little more say about where my tax dollars are spent than I currently have under the Walker administration and the GOP controlled legislature.

Randy, that's what regularly scheduled elections are for. They're held frequently enough and have worked well enough that for generations they've been the accepted way of folks like you having a say in how your tax dollars are spent, going forward, if you don't care for how they're being spent currently. At least it was up until last November's unexpected (by them) losses by the Dem's, who'd essentially written off the Republican Party with the ascension in '08 of the exalted Obama and his cohorts in the legislative branches and statehouses across the land.

@Randy1949 -

"I pay quite a bit of it to the State of Wisconsin."

Actually, I thought you stated on previous boards that a majority of your current tax burden goes to your local level government via the property tax assessment, while 10% of a very small amount goes to the fed, and very little actually makes it to the state after you take all of your credits, deductions, and exemptions, right?

Did you at least vary the handwriting a bit so it isn't blatantly obvious?

@Jeff Klass

Any volunteer I know including myself, would not go door to door as long as your bully behavior is present. We avoid confrontation. We would not want to put your neighbors in a position of having to see or hear your bullish behavior. Grow up. You give your side a bad reputation just by putting your post in public!

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Jeff Klass

10:47 pm on Monday, December 19, 2011

What I love is that now that the easy signatures are collected from the emotionally retarded lefties, the real slog begins. They will need at least 700k to make this happen. can't wait for the ground game to come to my house. First, I will talk to them for as long as it takes to delay their mission, then I will be walking right alongside them, going right up to each front door & telling my neighbors why they SHOULD NOT SIGN. I really am looking forward to this..........

OK - let's get this straight - me, wasting a recall zombies time on MY properrty by trying to talk to them, and then walking right next to them onto my neighbors party to give an opposing view is "bullying", but hundreds of mind dead lefties chanting SHAME & blocking lawmakers access to their place of work, our making death threats on FB, or pouring beer over their heads - that's A-OK right? You're an idiot.

Point 2, little brained one; while burning candles to pictures of Che, Hugo, Fidel & Karl Marx, with one hand wrapped around a tree in loving embrace, short of killing the Fitgerald brothers, Koch brothers, his family & finally himself on public access TV - there is no way Mr. Walker & by extension "My side" can ever make themselves look good to you lefty zombies. How is that hive mind working out for you, worker bee? Got your fist sign? Workers of the world unite! What a crock.

Jeff, what mini-me is trying to say is that there's no reason for them to go though the effort and uncomfortable encounters in an attempt to get signatures when all they really have to do is go through the phone book. Which is why they're so uptight about this "Verify the Recall" site.

@Jeff Klass

You are the gift that keeps giving. As I conveyed to you in an earlier post, volunteers do not seek out confrontations and they can decipter by the tone of your voice and content that you will not sign quite early. We will quickly move on with a "have a good day". Simple as that.

So have a good day and I do hope you behave yourself as an adult.

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Jeff Klass

7:22 am on Tuesday, December 20, 2011

OK - let's get this straight - me, wasting a recall zombies time on MY properrty by trying to talk to them, and then walking right next to them onto my neighbors party to give an opposing view is "bullying", but ...............

Where do you live , I'd like to walk with you. Do you walk on 2feet or all four ?

Jeff you need to go to an anger management class before you go to prison.

@Stormy Weather

People standing in line of the Salvation Army or other food distribution places across Wisonsin do not need to be talked into signing via scare tactics. They already know things are tough and the future is dim. Many of these folks (and their families) are the ones that have lost their jobs this last year or they are the working poor--those with low paying jobs and no benefits. Do some reading about the new class of working poor we have in Wiscosnin.

Whooo hooo, recall walker and you will get a job with bennifits and free toys and heathcare and a Escalade and a huge house and you can be the working upper class!!!!!!

Hope and Change baby

Strummy Worter ... where do you people come up with this chit ? You could have been a hero instead of a zero and saved all those poor people when you seen them.

I wonder if your parents ought to have used contraception?

Jeff did your parents have to tie a pork chop around your neck when you were little so the dog would play with you ?

Jeff for a dollar more I could have been your father.

Is that another example of "This is what democracy looks like?" Another attack on a private business you disagree with? I specifically have switched much of our fleet fuel purchasing to Kwik Trip to counter you lefties. So few good ones amongst the whole lot of you. How tragically sad for your cause.

Kwik Trip has chit gas .

Maybe it was you ?

Robert@ Since my land is your land would you please help pay my property taxes?

Yes, WI used to have a good land preservation policy. Now Walker is out to ruin it for all Wisconsinites! --and pollute our waterways in the process.

@morninmist -

Knock off reiterating the lefty talking points that you learned from Schultz, Maddow, Unger, O'Donnell, Olberman, Maher, RT, etc. We’ve already heard them all before millions of times. Doesn’t your side have anything new or fresh to add to the discussion?

@James...

My sources generally come from others than you ASSume I use.

And who are you to tell me what I can say or not say on this board?

"Consider what Scott Walker has done to date:

Has effectively stopped all new wind energy projects in the state
Cut funding for the Gaylord Nelson – Warren Knowles Stewardship Funding by 30%
Undermined Wisconsin nationally recognized energy conservation program
Abolished the state Office of Energy Independence
Carved out a special exemption from wetlands protections for a campaign contributor Eliminated the requirement that municipal water supplies be disinfected
Called a special session for the purpose of passing legislation to roll back water pollution and wetlands law .
Appointed as DNR Secretary as state Senator with one of the worst environment voting records in the Legislature.
more ....."
http://wisconsin.sierraclub.org/GovWalkerRecall.asp

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James R Hoffa

1:09 am on Wednesday, December 21, 2011

@morninmist -

Knock off reiterating the lefty talking points that you learned from Schultz, Maddow, Unger, O'Donnell, Olberman, Maher, RT, etc. We’ve already heard them all before millions of times. Doesn’t your side have anything new or fresh to add to the discussion?

@morninmist -

Yep, you're right - the Wisconsin Sierra Club clearly has no agenda or ulterior motives, do they? You can definitely take all of their asserted 'facts' to the bank!

"Has effectively stopped all new wind energy projects in the state"

That's funny, as I seem to recall reading right here on Patch that SCJ just launched a new wind energy project. I guess that Patch is lying about this though - you better inform Heather A of her false reporting on this story, as the Sierra Club says that Walker effectively killed all new projects in the state.

If your first fact is clearly FALSE, then I'm not even going to bother with debunking the rest.

Once again, morninmist is led astray by his questionable sources of information. No surprises here.

Try again.

Morningpissed: Walker polluted what water? Get a grip, Milwaukee has the best water purification in the world. Your same old regurgitation of the looney left talking points is getting old. What about your type defacating in parks and hippy camps? How about the pollution you spew from your hole you call your mouth?

Craig
I do not appeciate your foul language via making fun of my username, nor should the moderators of this board tolerated your clear schoolyard bullying behavior and namecalling.

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Craig

5:03 pm on Wednesday, December 21, 2011

Morningpissed: Walker polluted what water? Get a grip, Milwaukee has the best water purification in the world. Your same old regurgitation of the looney left talking points is getting old. What about your type defacating in parks and hippy camps? How about the pollution you spew from your hole you call your mouth?

Yes, Craig, please don't bully poor morninmist. It's had a hard day scouring the local obits for potential absentee recall petition signers.

Craigs got a potty mouth.

Morninmist has emailed me saying he/she doesn't appreciate the language under this particular thread of the comments section. While I won't be deleting any comments, let's please try to tone down the name calling.

Everyone is still entitled to their option. Just be smarter about how it's written.

Maybe morninmist needs to circulate a petition and attempt collect enough signatures to force Patch to remove those who've hurt its feelings. That seems to be its modus operandi when things don't go its way.

Wrong, there just not going to give the money to PP

So the phone book is in the other room, I take it?

@Bob McBride -

Morninmist exhausted the phone book weeks ago! He's now resorted to hitting up the local cemeteries and crypts!

#### whatever that means

Recall election is in 24 days? Crap you better get a canidate ready that is not a wack job socilaist.

You go girl !

@Scott...Thanks, I'll make sure I write this in my personal journal. After three score and five, my life is still being evaluated. When I'm ready for outside input I'll make sure to contact you if you'll extend me the same courtesy.

How about reading how the numbers have been off for 5 months now...... Like last month they were off by 75%.... WI still has a positive NET job count. But don't let the actual count get in the way........

Stosh:

According to Politifact, there have been over 20,000 private sector jobs added since Walker has been in office. Maybe they are "derainged" in the mind as well...

Lena Taylor (D) supports paper mill closings and layoffs

I wonder if Walker takes credit for the 2 bank jobs at M&I ? That's what he's created in this state.

@stosh -

Are products that were once made at the closing Wausau paper mill found on the left's boycott list by chance?

Still no alternate explanation of Dick's Deli's reckless ad hominem (12/20, 2:28p) assertion that the GAB is negligent and dysfunctional. Hmm. One wonders why.

That's quite a boo boo in numbers.
Maybe if the libs would stop their political theater we could gain some stability in this state and sell it to the job creators.

@235301: Thanks for the link. Wow, of the 17, seven work for unions, three are lawyers (Can you guess what kinds of clients these folks have?), one is a "community activist" (think: ACORN.), another a pastor of a "progressive" church (Think: BHO's Chicago "g-d d-mn America" Pastor Jeremiah).

Non-partisan huh?!?!

I love these made up groups, can you think for yourself?

Laying off tens of thousands of teachers would have had a gigantic effect on the private sector, same with mass tax increases. Keeping teachers employed and involved in consumer spending as helped the economy.

stosh you need to learn to differentiate between a reliable, non-biased source and an agenda driven "non-profit" PAC. Just because some outfit labels itself as non-partisan, doesn't mean that's the case. All that means is that they're not officially affiliated with a particular candidate or party.

Here's your board of directors of this "non-partisan" organization:

http://www.wisconsinsfuture.org/board_directors.html

See a pattern there?

@stosh... Had the IWF brought forth a cohesive comprehensive economic study it would have performed a cost/benefit analysis of effectiveness of various alternatives to the Walker plan, as Steve hints at in his post. Without a contrasting analysis,it's just a bias hack job.

@stosh -

So, I guess you believe that the McIver Institute, Heritage Foundation, Americans for Prosperity, etc. are also non-partisan non-profits, right?

so, from december 2009 until now jobs are up 35,150? or did the survey end as of december 2010, as would be suggested by the data groupings? When did Walker take office? January 2011? What data should we be looking at?

Bloomberg Business Journal is a news source. The IWF isn't. If you're equating the two, you're still confused.

So, in other words, is he Asian, Middle Eastern, African, or European? And, I dare you to go around calling an educated person Caucasian, or even try calling someone who looks Asian Asian. To assert this is to insert your foot. I have a great friend who is "Asian", but she is really Filipino and German. She is proud of her heritage, and she is defensive to people being ignorant or racist. I am German and Irish. I am not "caucasian".

What are you going on about, heule?

For what purpose, heule?

I will be out there collecting also. Happy Holiddays.

Obnnoxious union goons

That's nice to know. Just understand that if you should, by accident, contact me, you won't like the answer you get.